and that's why jim and i have a difference of opinion on this idea. >> you know, j.d., i think the republican response, the conservative response to the affordable care act is symptomatic of something broader. to me it has badly damaged the credibility of the conservative movement over the past few years. that is if the obama presidency, i would say it's moderate. it's been incremental. you look at the health care plan, as you say, which has bee insurance, the rescue of wall street, saved wall street as we know it. the stimulus, national security policies that were held over from bush. i could go on and on. the point is this, republicans confronted with an administration that showed time and again they did want to work with them and incorporate some conservative ideas. republicans instead responded by simply saying this is socialism, massive government, a threat to freedom. has the conservative movement destroyed its credibility by responding so hysterically to what has really been a moderate president? >> well, you know, i think both sides are at fault politically here. let's go back to the